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["Bertil Häggman" <bertil.haggman@helsingborg.se>]

Ahem, the Allies did not accept even the Soviet takeover in Russia.  Remember 
their support of the White Army during the Russian civil war.  Some Western 
nations sent also troops in Russia, and I wonder if the isolationist trends of the 
Soviet Union do not derive from that episode.  After having fought a war which 
ended with an inglorious defeat, Russia was attacked and surrounded by enemies.  
You can say thta the purpose of the expeditionry corps was to "liberate" Russia, 
but try to explain that to Russians.  In moment of crisis Russians tend to stick 
together, to forget internal divisions and to fight with all their forces against the 
invasors.  Remember what happened to Napoleon and later to Hitler.  Stalin was a 
monster, everybody knows that, but when Russian had to choose betwee the 
menace from outside (racial warfare and scientifically planned extermination) and 
their bloodthirsty Red Czar, they chose Stalin.  Can you blame them for that?


Umberto,

With the terrible consequences (60 million dead) of the
Soviet Lenin-Stalin regime I think many Russians
would have preferred a white victory. It still amazes
me that someone as intelligent knowledgeable
as you attempts a comparis with Charles XII (I added
that) of Sweden, Napoleon, and Hitler. And don't forget
that over one million Soviet citizens fought in German
uniform 1941 to 1945 agains Stalin.

(At the beginning they didn't dislike the idea of a repetition of what had happened in 
1914-1917, i.e. military defeat followed by the collapse of the Bolshevik 
government;  they believed that the German army could rid them of Stalin, as id had 
set them free from the Czars--but Sonderkommandos, scientifically planned 
starvation and extermination camps made them change their mind.)


Don't understand how we moved from 
the stopping of communist revolution in Germany
1918-1919 to WWII?

Maybe, had the Reds, that is the Communists won in 1918, both the Russian and 
the German Bolshevik governments could hae been less violent and totalitarian.  
Who knows.  Maybe, given some basic tenets of the Bolshevik ideology you had to 
build a totalitarian regime, maybe not.  Lenin started the NEP, you know.  And built 
the first Gulag camps.  There's a lot of contradictions in what he did.  While surely 
there's a deadly coherence in Stalin's actions--much like what you can find in 
Hitler's deeds.


Stalin and Hitler are much of the same. Juenger wrote about
that during his visit to the Eastern Front in 1942. There is
an excellent quote on how the killing of the bourgeois class
in Russia made the bourgeois class in Germany react
mercilessly.


In the end, after the counter-revolution in Germany and Stalin's "trials" in the USSR, 
what you have is two totalitarian, militarist, Wille-zur-Macht-oriented, ruthless 
machines, which will eventually fight each other.  Do we have to be grateful to the 
Free Corps for this?  Ok, thank you!

We ought to be grateful for their
work to save democracy in Germany,
a democratic government from 1918 to
1933. What happened after 1933 in
Germany is the work of the National Socialists.

Will come back with the Juenger quote from
the diaries from 1942.

Are you content with the present Italian
government of the left with former
Communists (reformed?) in the lead.

Best wishes 

Bertil Haggman