RE: DIE SCHERE #29 - Translation

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From:           	"Thomas Friese" <tfriese@intergate.bc.ca>
To:             	<ernst-juenger-l@maillist.ox.ac.uk>
Subject:        	RE: DIE SCHERE #29 - Translation
Date sent:      	Sat, 6 Feb 1999 10:01:13 -0800
Send reply to:  	ernst-juenger-l@maillist.ox.ac.uk

>
> I am at all not sure that "theorizing" is the right word - shamans and
> other types of mystics have experience of both their coming and going into
> the world. In fact, shamans die and return to life at will, according to
> their reports. I think we misunderstand the real, experiential side of
> Junger's wisdom. This is a man who learns equally from doing as from
> reading and thinking. In fact, I think the mystical side of Junger is
> wholly underestimated, or better, completely overlooked. It is
> fundamental.

Thats exactly my thought. Ej influenced me by this side, specially
with the fight against nihil and fear (to dead).
>
> Since I am no different from anyone else, in that I think I have certain
> presentiments of things, I have to go along with him.  My experience has
> almost always been that the vision or preview presents itself as something
> trivial, a flash, a stray thought.  Then when the thing happens it is
> recalled as something significant, even monumental. But that means that
> possibly there were a whole lot of other trivial, stray images that never
> led to anything, were not recalled and vanished in oblivion.  So was the
> vision a preview, or a lucky hit?
>
Gary, these feelings are more common than people think, surely
much of us have felt too. As example, French has an expression
for them : deja vu .

> The seeming significance of the vision may derive entirely from it having
> been one among many that were entirely forgotten and therefore not
> recognized in their moment of realization. A presentiment of a trivial
> detail will seem monumental in its "happening" if only because the
> experience powerfully impresses upon us the link between future and
> present and our relative lack of free will, or, conversely, the force of
> destiny. This metaphysical lesson is as powerful if it concerns the corpse
> or the little fish swimming around it. As Junger implies, the verification
> of the detail tells us that much more important things were also
> pre-established without our choice.

I must disagree here, Thomas. I think EJ is meaning another thing.
To my mind his thought about past-future and visions is nearer to
shuŽar - an Amazonas tribe- culture. This tribe has a veri different
conception of time. They think future is in the past. The preview
donŽt imply an absence of free will. It means that our decision was
already taken.
Put different, shuŽar believe that what they dream - or what they
see when taking ayahuasca - a potent pharmakos, must
happened, so, if  they dream something bad, they try to re-dream
and change it.
Sorry, but my knowledge about this is very different. If there is
someone who knows this culture, please explain us. In the
meanwhile, I will research more pertinent details.


Best regards
roberto