Ironically under the subject "List Discipline" there were of late some strangely shrill notes in this discussion. Good tidings indeed to encounter now the subject "Amical Proposal". However, I have my problems signing the truce. Point 2 stipulates never to call EJ a resistance fighter any more. I never did - who on the List did in the first place? If we left the discussion at that we would leave some confusion unresolved. For the question remains who can legitimately be called a Widerstandskämpfer according to Roberto Haab's high moral standards? Stauffenberg not only risked his life but gave it after the failed attempt to assassinate Hitler on 20 July 1944. But for Roberto Haab he does not qualify because prior to his joining the conspiracy he had been loyal to Hitler, who was not just a monster, but also the supreme commander of the Wehrmacht in which Stauffenberg served as an officer. On the other hand, Sophie and Hans Scholl were students at the University of Munich when they distributed there their homemade anti-Hitler leaflets and were arrested and executed. If they qualify for the honourable title of Widerstandskämpfer it must be, according to that logic I am trying to grasp, not because they were more idealistic or courageous but because they were civilians. Theirs was not the dilemma of having to decide whether to obey, sabotage or defy the orders of their military superiors. Before he obeyed the dictate of his moral conscience Stauffenberg had tried to live according to a code which is also Roberto Haab's: a soldier's honour is to obey orders. A soldier who becomes a resistance fighter within an army commits treason. Only when an attempted coup has succeeded, under a new regime or in other countries the traitor may be glorified retroactively as a hero of resistance. So can a soldier, who does sabotage or defy orders, be his commander Hitler, Eisenhower or some Swedish or Swiss general, qualify as a Widerstandskämpfer in the eyes of any old troupier of any army? And if civilians like the Scholls might qualify because for them there was not any military honour to be tainted with treason -- what army's officers would care about declaring such civilians kasinofähig? This is why I cannot believe that there is such thing as a kasinofähiger Widerstandskämpfer. Admittedly, this is a civilian's view. I belong to an age group (Weisser Jahrgang) that was never drafted. Infantrymen, put me right if I misunderstood the military and its logic here! Having thus explained why I cannot follow Roberto Haab's reasoning at all, I join him nevertheless in his amicable proposal: Let us not make the mistake to label EJ with that patently inappropriate and even confusing idea of Widerstandskämpfer. I add a proposal of my own. Bertil Häggman, who with admirable patience has put forward in the course of this discussion the facts which corroborate his judgment, has found, to my mind, the formula which we all might subscribe to: EJ leistete Widerstand, he showed resistance. Günter Rebing
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