Re: Die Schere - destiny and free will.

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From:           	"Thomas Friese" <tfriese@intergate.bc.ca>
To:             	<ernst-juenger-l@maillist.ox.ac.uk>
Subject:        	Die Schere - destiny and free will.
Date sent:      	Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:17:41 -0800
Send reply to:  	ernst-juenger-l@maillist.ox.ac.uk


Thomas, I donŽt know what happened, but you have already
mentioned "Carlos" in two mails, and that "Carlos" its me:
Roberto Calvo. So, I will ask John, if there is a problem in the list
with my mails. About the rest, I agree your view.
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> This brings with it the question of EJ's own belief in which he is
> laying out the potential for a super sensory order. Certianly if there
> is a view to the future then there must be some sort of map by which we
> may gain access. This means that fate is in this sense "written" and
> although I know little of Schopenhauer's Philosophy and have never heard
> of Grillparzer their view of predestination must be similiar to EJ's own
> view. The reason for second sight being proof of universal necessity
> indicates an ordered universe with an "author". This most certainly
> implies, naturally only through indication, the presence of the divine.
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> Yes, but now who is the "author"? Could it not be the person himself,
> consciously choosing the life he/she will live, before, as Junger put it
> somewhere, they give "existence to Existence"? That is not in contradiction
> to your conclusion of the Divine presence. "Divinity must, without a doubt,
> be inside us and be recognized as being inside us; otherwise we would have
> no concept of gods." Eumeswil
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> Carlos's previous point (copied below) is along these lines - the dreamer as
> divine self-creator. Point well taken, Carlos.
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> "To my mind his thought about past-future and visions is nearer to
> shuŽar - an Amazonas tribe- culture. This tribe has a veri different
> conception of time. They think future is in the past. The preview
> donŽt imply an absence of free will. It means that our decision was
> already taken."
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> I add a quote referring to dreams from Eumeswil (by far my favorite book, I
> confess..)
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> "It (the mind during a dream) can open its eyes anywhere - in people, in
> things, animals or plants; it gives breath to its creatures and makes them
> speak; it acts as their prompter. Yet it is astonished by anything they say,
> as if its words were intensified by those echoes. 'In a dream we are gods,'
> a Greek said, and he was right." Eumeswil
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> One final thought: these ideas remind me of a charming story quoted in Otto
> Rank's "The Trauma of Birth." In certain Gnostic writings, the unborn child
> is "dropped" by an angel into the womb of the mother who will bring it into
> the life it has chosen for itself. Just before the "drop" enters the womb,
> it is shown the entire course of its future life, including the place it
> will be buried. As it leaves the womb to be born, the angel strikes it under
> its nose and blots out all memory of everything it has seen. This
> perspective fits very well with what Junger is saying here - and what Carlos
> says - the decision was already taken. The vision reminds us of what we have
> forgotten.
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> Thomas Friese
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> "I am not a nonbeliever, but a man who demands something worth believing in.
> On this point, I am like a bride in her chamber: she listens for the softest
> step." Ernst Juenger, Eumeswil
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