RE: Aliens

[Roberto Calvo Macias <rcalvom@ctv.es>]

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De:	Gerd Groenewold 
Enviado el:	miércoles 25 de marzo de 1998 2:42
Para:	Ernst Juenger List
Asunto:	Re: Aliens

Hello all,

> "Necessity is the mother of invention." Does the need create its own solution? 
> Friedrich Baroh:" We must also ponder whether we are dealing with auto-suggestion. A deep
> desire projects its dream image into the world. It intensifies, supplants, concentrates
> reality. For the people around you, you become a pathological case, unless you convince them.
> They even desire this." Aladdins Problem, chapter 79 
>         
> A lot of people are convinced of the existence of UFOs, but, though it may be related, this is
> not what Baroh has to share with the world. What exactly is he seeing that could be viewed as
> pathological?  

My thought may be stuck in the religious mode (I just finished reading
some Eliade), but I think what is being referred to hear is an encounter
with something that in the past is referred to as angelic, today as
extraterrestrial.  No matter which way one views these things, angelic
or alien, it is an experience that is very individual.  In my youth, I
was a member of a church that had a belief in personal experiences with
God, and I met many people who claimed to have had God in some way speak
through them.  I no longer believe they were experiencing what they
thought, but it is not a question of them out and out lying, for the
most part.  On the contrary, they believed in what they experienced very
deeply.  It could have been auto suggestion, or it most certainly could
have been some kind of psycho-pathology, or it could have been something
more profound.  Those who were convinced of the metaphysical reality of
these experiences tended to believe not just in one or two instances,
but wanted to be convinced of the reality of all of them.  Those
unconvinced generally will see such things as a sort of pathological
symptom.  

My point is that Phares is a visitor of some sort.  The key may be in
his name (Phares = seraph, i. e. Seraphim) as well.  Ever met anyone who
said they saw an angel?  Or that one applied for a job with them?  How
about an ET?

GERD

Well explain. But what i think its that EJ idea was less on the place of coming- or originated-; I mean, its no the matter its from psycopathology(profets were no doubt psycothic), from an angel, an ET or God itself- one could say that the psycothic thing, the vision of an angel, or of a ET its god itself, or autosuggestion its an inside god. The J thinking is that yesterday that was real- angels were actual to people- and now not, is that a loss? 

Best wishes
roberto

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