This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E008.86A16990 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit what does that mean? Specifically, "Empire", "Gods", "interiority (inner self)", "nihilism", "technology", "bourgeois state", "Line"? The trouble with the highly metaphorical language Jünger uses is that other people use the same words to mean very different things. Consequently, it is very difficult to debate what they say unless the participants in the debate can agree a common vocabulary no matter how provisional and difficult that may be. Sort of thing that goes by the name of ontology in the technical world. Which means something completely different in philosophy ;-) Regards, JK -----Original Message----- From: juenger-list-admin@juenger.org [mailto:juenger-list-admin@juenger.org]On Behalf Of Andrea Strazzoni Sent: 02 April 2002 19:39 To: juenger.list@juenger.org Subject: I: [Juenger-list] american peace The Empire have to connect the man with Gods. Its power defends the interiority against nihilism and technic (but by using it); it's possible to see in the USA the Empire form? Or even it is dominated by the Technic, like a borghesy state? -----Messaggio Originale----- Da: Andrea Strazzoni A: juenger.list@juenger.org Data invio: martedì 2 aprile 2002 12.59 Oggetto: [Juenger-list] american peace EJ said that the only way to win the nihilsm, to cross over the line, is to abamndone all museal convictions, to be perfect, pure nihilist; only going into the new technical order, refusing any retunrns to the past, it's possible to suceed it and re.descovering the lost spirit and gods. Titans have killed gods, but if we "search them in the desert", we "go towards them", we could save ourselves, and the nihilsm will be "covered by a new skin like a scar"; EJ thinked that techinic could be an amplification, a bigger structure of the spirit, but only if it will be guided by an elite (like during naationalsocialism), it could grow without vulgarizing itself. But in the late phase of his tinking he realized that noone was ever able to control the technic. And he proposed the imperial-state, the mondial state, as the only leadership able to guide the world with the alliance of the technic. The question is: have we to believe in the north-american empire? Can we abandone ourselves to the force of the techcnic, under the leadership of USA, to make faster the run over the "line" and towards a new age? Have we to consider USA like the mondial empire, the paradise of tecnhic or a mix of these? The "american-peace", if we want to abandone old valours, yet dead or who are falling or destined to be destroyed by the waves of the nuhilism, we have to believe in it. The technic will be surely not in the hands of fews, it will be (and it is yet) vulgarized, but search the destruction, "choose more and more destructive measure", it's the only way. What are your opinions? Thanks Andrea Strazzoni (excuse me for my errors) ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E008.86A16990 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2715.400" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D365214719-09042002>what=20 does that mean? Specifically, "Empire", "Gods", "interiority (inner = self)",=20 "nihilism", "technology", "bourgeois state", "Line"?</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D365214719-09042002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D365214719-09042002>The=20 trouble with the highly metaphorical language J=FCnger uses is that = other people=20 use the same words to mean very different things. Consequently, it is = very=20 difficult to debate what they say unless the participants in the debate = can=20 agree a common vocabulary no matter how provisional and difficult that = may be.=20 </SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D365214719-09042002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D365214719-09042002>Sort=20 of thing that goes by the name of ontology in the technical world. Which = means=20 something completely different in philosophy ;-)</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D365214719-09042002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D365214719-09042002>Regards,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D365214719-09042002></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D365214719-09042002>JK</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20 style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px = solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 juenger-list-admin@juenger.org = [mailto:juenger-list-admin@juenger.org]<B>On=20 Behalf Of </B>Andrea Strazzoni<BR><B>Sent:</B> 02 April 2002=20 19:39<BR><B>To:</B> juenger.list@juenger.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> I:=20 [Juenger-list] american peace<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>The Empire have to connect the = man with Gods.=20 Its power defends the interiority against nihilism and technic (but by = using=20 it); it's possible to see in the USA the Empire form? Or even it is = dominated=20 by the Technic, like a borghesy state? </EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">-----Messaggio Originale-----=20 <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>Da:</B> <A=20 title=3Dandreastrazzoni@libero.it = href=3D"mailto:andreastrazzoni@libero.it";>Andrea=20 Strazzoni</A> </DIV> <DIV><B>A:</B> <A title=3Djuenger-list@juenger.org=20 href=3D"mailto:juenger.list@juenger.org";>juenger.list@juenger.org</A> = </DIV> <DIV><B>Data invio:</B> marted=EC 2 aprile 2002 12.59</DIV> <DIV><B>Oggetto:</B> [Juenger-list] american peace</DIV></DIV> <DIV><BR></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>EJ said that the only way to win = the nihilsm,=20 to cross over the line, is to abamndone all museal convictions, to be = perfect,=20 pure nihilist; only going into the new technical order, refusing any = retunrns=20 to the past, it's possible to suceed it and re.descovering the lost = spirit and=20 gods. Titans have killed gods, but if we "search them in the desert", = we "go=20 towards them", we could save ourselves, and the nihilsm will be = "covered by a=20 new skin like a scar"; EJ thinked that techinic could be an = amplification, a=20 bigger structure of the spirit, but only if it will be guided by an = elite=20 (like during naationalsocialism), it could grow without vulgarizing = itself.=20 But in the late phase of his tinking he realized that noone was ever = able to=20 control the technic. And he proposed the imperial-state, the = mondial=20 state, as the only leadership able to guide the world with the = alliance of the=20 technic. The question is: have we to believe in = the north-american=20 empire? Can we abandone ourselves to the force of the techcnic, under = the=20 leadership of USA, to make faster the run over the "line" and towards = a new=20 age? Have we to consider USA like the mondial empire, the paradise of = tecnhic=20 or a mix of these? The "american-peace", if we want to abandone old = valours,=20 yet dead or who are falling or destined to be destroyed by the = waves of=20 the nuhilism, we have to believe in it. The technic will be surely not = in the=20 hands of fews, it will be (and it is yet) vulgarized, but search the=20 destruction, "choose more and more destructive measure", it's the only = way.=20 What are your opinions</EM></FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20 size=3D2><EM>?</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>Thanks</EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>Andrea = Strazzoni </EM></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>(excuse me for my=20 errors) =20 </EM></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E008.86A16990--
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