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>- Democracy is the identity between the sovereign and the subjects (Carl
>Schmitt) what you call democracy (formal, elective, representative etc) are
>just Liberalism!!!


So what is democracy according
to your definition?


- Certainly has nothing to do with liberalism and modernity !!!
I share clasical philosphy view on this respect!! (you can check Aristotle,
politics and if you have time enough you can try Leo Strauss)


>Mass graves? Yes of course but why I have to trust an "american" (i mean a
>political correct) media?
>Do you know that CNN works with the Pentagono? I can recommend you to read


No, I did not know of that arrangement.
Please enlighten me on this cooperation.
Do CNN and Pentagopn have a written
agreement on this?

- Je,je, je,je ( I can only laugh sorry....je,je)
Do you have any idea of what Davos, Round Table,  Bilderberg or Trilateral
Comission are?


>Junger of course would see the same picture and CNN wil not be other thing
>for him than a Titanic and perverted force that control our minds.

EJ was always against the techniques used
by depraved dictators (slaughter, genocide etc).
He has described these techniques very well
in _Auf den marmorklippen_.

- Totalitarianism has to do with power and destruction and today power and
destruction means NATO and Civilization ( I prefer to be a barbarian
latinamerican rather than a civilized european)
Junger viewed power not as you see (civilized) but as the way to overcome
civilization and bourgeois way of life which by the way is what you value!!


>- What genocide? Where are the corpes? The only deads i have already seen
>are these two serbs killed by the germans forces yesterday (they were in a
>yellow Trabi)


Read the indictment of Milosevic and
his co-criminals, and you will see the
names. The forensic experts will soon
be available. Foolish thing to attack
welltrained soldiers. These Serbs
paid the price.

Why those well trained soldiers cannot do anything to the russian soldiers
who are still in the airport?



>- It is easy to label all the people who disagree with the American and
Nato
>Totalitarian regime as communist.

Are you doubting that the PRC, North Korean and Cuban
leadership are communist? That would be a first one.

- As far as i know Cuba is becoming a sort of lovely place for all the
europeans who want to have sex without paying too much!!
I ask you again, what about all the scholars and intellectuals who are
horrified by  Nato butchery? Are they cubans, or koreans? Common Sense also
says that there is nothing to be proud of  fighting  a war without taking
any risk and i think that Nato soldiers are just a bunch of cowards!!


  Oky i do not care but I think that all the
>people that believe in freedom and in a particular freedom ethos (as Junger
>did)  must notice the great danger we will face in the coming months after
>Kosovo.. and maybe it would not be a bad idea to read again "Der Arbeiter"
>perhaps the time is near for his "Herrnschaft und Gestalt"


The great danger of course being
rogue dictators like Milosevic, Saddam,
North Koreans and that old fool Castro
still clinging to power. But he can still
cause some problems.

I am quite amazed that there are people
out there still willing to defend a dictator
who lost four wars he started. I hope somebody
knocks on his door and tells him it is time
to leave. Hopefully it will be Vuk Drascovich
and not V. Seselj.

- I think that is easy to criticize when you are confortable in a bourgois
place not disturbed but the uglyness of irrationalism and barbarianism but
MIlosevic showed something europeans unfortunately have already forgotten...


With Juengeran antitotalitarian greetings

Bertil Haggman


With jungerean National - Bolcheviques greetings
Eduardo





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