Dear Roberto, in fact I do have some problems to "understand" Juenger's specific value as philosopher and of that what you and other "Juengerians" seem to estimate as Juenger's prognosis. But I did not join this mailbox as a missionary against Juenger; I just threw some questions into this chat room in order to start a discussion and to listen to your arguments. Btw, I'm dealing with complex systems, and there may have been precursors like some aspects of Goethe's "Farbenlehre", but I don't see the point concerning Juenger. Please don't stretch "Chaos theories" and things like that too much; this stuff is too complicated to deal with in one sentence. And why so angry about a pragmatic approach to politics? As it seems to me, "Weltanschauung" in an emphatic sense as basis of politics tends to fail as it can be observed esprecially in 20th century German political history; you can learn that in analysing Juenger's early writings (and his political - not ethical - failure) as well as in reading some of his vague Weltstaat "prognosis". Morality in politics is only successful if it is combined with quite a pragmatic way of political strategy and tactics - more and more in such an intensity that morality itself becomes an instrument of pragmatic politics. I've got the impression that you hope to find some kind of intrinsic value in Juenger's writings and prognosis; well, it's one tradition in occidental history of ideas to strive after esoterical wisdom with Guenon, Evola, and others. But even in an esoteric discourse you need arguments, examples, and stringency in argumentation. Let me kindly say that unfortunately I didn't find that here - up to now. Don't speak in general terms, don't persist on your attitude as "initiate", be modest, and try to convince the unbelieving. Waiting for arguments, Sincerely yours KvK
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