Mr. Vankeuken Prognosis? Morality? Intrinsec values? esoteric discourse? what?! That is all what you see? Pragmatical Politics, this is what you want to mushroom from EJ? Those pragmatics as you made me remember of some people... Who was talking about those things?. Try for once to see and think about things (and persons) as a hole (or if you prefer to said it in a more "academic sense", with more "stringency": try to think acoustically (McLuhan)). At least, your are perfectly right: EJ has not political uses neither specific values in almost any branch - may be in entomology; btw,are you interested in entomolgy?. Be sure, EJ has no specific values, you can bet for it. You are in a wrong place to do that: each time we try to talk on politics we end in a flame war - just ask John:-), sometimes he has to use Die Schere with us:-). You should not waste time with us in those questions: you could go to other lists with more "stringency": Fourier, Marx, Engels, Schmitt, the list is neverending... We are just a small gang of lunatics: its like a tea reunion in a madhouse:-), this is one of the reasons this list is so funny:-). You are right also about the question of speaking in "general terms". I have commited a grave fault: try to speak in "general terms" to those which never could understand it. Sorry, it was my fault, I repent myself. I promise you that I will never do it again. Never, you have my word - if this term means something to you. You recomend me to be modest, thats a good advice, thanks. All members, please beg me your pardon for my arrogance and vehemence -things that, on the other hand, are anacronic in these titanic ages. By no means I would like to appear as an "initiate", such term annoys me - it remember me of awful words as secrecy, conspiration, etc... There is no such thing as an "initiate", let those things to priests... You recomend me to try to convince you, but I cannot do such thing. How could I do an imposible task? Try to explain a little child what you feel in an orgasm: he, as a not "initiated", probably wonīt understand you? could he?. Orgasm. One must to live/feel it to understand it, donīt you think? Its a real pity that a person of your great intelligence and ability is unsteady. Btw, why was Hephestus always represented as a lame? I pray your pardon , I feel very ashamed of trying to convince/indoctrinate you. I am so macchiavelic and fascist, that sometimes I forget that I am just a normal person. Please, accept my apologies. Best regards Roberto
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