RE: [ejlist] The trees of life and the titans

["Daniel Capo" <lluerna@oninet.es>]

Dear list members;
After some time off Iīm back on the list again. Glad to see you as active as
always.

>
> If the catacomb school is the
>> titanic one, are not the titans obsessed with knowledge rather than
>> immortality? Or is it rather that knowledge is accessible to their
>> technigues but life is not and thus they focus on what is not allowed
them?
>> Comments?
>I think the second one is right. Titans are obsessed with inmortality
(gods).
>They want to reach inmortality through "their" knowledge
>(technology). And this is what they are trying; will they suceed?
>But, I am not sure about equaling catatombs with titanism, if so,
>then the forest school is gods-troops:-), isnīt it?. Would you like to
>explain it further?
>
Thomas, I didnīt understand your point either, would you mind to explain it
further?

>> By the way, in the Sumerian conception, the two trees were one - the
fruit
>> conferred life and knowledge - divinity. How did they get divided?
>
This is a fascinant issue and a very interesting one to talk about but Iīm a
little confused. Where did you get this info? I can be mistaken but Iīve
been looking for this info today and havenīt been able to find it out.
Unfortunaly I left my selection of sumerian texts in NY so I couldnīt check
it out. I have with me the Dictionnaire des mythologies et des religions des
sociétés traditionnelles et du monde antique and found nothing about this
tree.Some other scholars, such as Eliade or Graves seem to talk about a
special kind of grass that give us inmortality. I found this idea of a
single tree extremly interesting, could somebody give us more info on this?
    As Waltrer pointed out it's true that the tree of life wasnīt mentioned
before the fall, which is also very interesting. Eliade seems to believe the
tree staid hidden until the apple was eaten, so you first needed some kind
of knowledge in orden to see the tree. This theory makes even more
interesting the role of the snake. Was the snake eager to eat from the tree
of life? Did the snake need Adam and Eve in order to be able to find the
hidden tree? Anyway the idea of hidden is pretty common among the first
cosmogonies, think of Gilgamesh grass or Golden Apples in Hesperides, as
also the image of two trees instead of one.

>Un-cover (aletheia) is the "path" of life; the "path" is also the end.

Roberto, I canīt resist to write down a wonderful aphorism of Buddha

"You cannot travel on the path before you have become the Path itself"

BTW, if you have time just drop by my website
http://members.es.tripod.de/ViaEuropaea/

Greetings from Mallorca to you all and happy to be here again,

Daniel Capó Laisfeldt
-----Mensaje original-----
De: rcalvom@ctv.es <rcalvom@ctv.es>
Para: ernst-juenger-l@maillist.ox.ac.uk <ernst-juenger-l@maillist.ox.ac.uk>
Fecha: miércoles 30 de junio de 1999 14:11
Asunto: Re: [ejlist] The trees of life and the titans


>
>Thomas Friese wrote:
>
>
> If the catacomb school is the
>> titanic one, are not the titans obsessed with knowledge rather than
>> immortality? Or is it rather that knowledge is accessible to their
>> technigues but life is not and thus they focus on what is not allowed
them?
>> Comments?
>I think the second one is right. Titans are obsessed with inmortality
(gods).
>They want to reach inmortality through "their" knowledge
>(technology). And this is what they are trying; will they suceed?
>But, I am not sure about equaling catatombs with titanism, if so,
>then the forest school is gods-troops:-), isnīt it?. Would you like to
>explain it further?
>
>
>> By the way, in the Sumerian conception, the two trees were one - the
fruit
>> conferred life and knowledge - divinity. How did they get divided?
>
>Thats an excelent question, and not only how? but also why?. Any
>expert on cosmogonies? There is also a small coment on
>Eumeswill, something about the Idasgrill, told by Attila (I canīt
>remember it exactly; as Thomas, I havenīt got the book at this
>moment).
>
>> (Speaking personally, why should God deny humans immortality? It should
not
>> (and does not) come free, but why covert it? )
>
>Un-cover (aletheia) is the "path" of life; the "path" is also the end.
>
>Best regards
>Roberto
>
>
>
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