Re: Die Schere #19

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Greetings everyone,


Richard,

Will you endulge a few comments. I don’t feel that your language uses
enoug metaphor, :-). So I’ll take a chance and comment on your comments 
> 
> First the interpretation.
> 19/1  Fundamental research is higher than common life, economy,
> institutions.
> 19/2  The organisation, the management, the society of consummation
> which ensues can't satisfy on a long time.
> 19/3  In this type of society, in this frame, physics is no more than
> parable.

Don’t know that the language fits here, sound more like a meeting of
managers than an interpetation of Juenger. I would say Physics is
Parable, in spite of the fact that so many people believe in it, it is
only an ersatz religion much like Darwinism/evolution.
 

> There is at least one difference. Physics is real, parable no.

Don’t but this at all. Physics is real!? This is at least what Carl
Sagan would have you believe, but what is real about it or what we
really know is very little.
Oh sure they have theories, but are these at best educated guessing? It
is certainly the parable of the Titan. In other words the language you
use is based on the battle of the titans and the gods to use a
Juengerian metaphor. That Physyics has a station higher than the divine
is one of points Juenger is driving at here. It is so called work over
worship and the titans want work while the divine requires worship.

But Parables also come from the real. Maybe they are fantastic, but
their roots feed from reality. 


> When Mr Sagan or Mr Reeves and his folkloric accent he plays with,
> tell us, poor beotians the story of comets and stars, sure they're
> right.

I don’t know that. I bet they’ll admit that what they factually know is
a lot less than they let on. What would the divine interest the High
Priest of Science, Carl Sagan? In the end he’s just another High Priest,
which your use of “poor beotians” certainly reflects.

> They describe reality or 99% of it.

It’s just a description of reality, So are the other parables, they
describe reality often more closely than the sciences. The myth is the
best description of the human condition.

> King Arthur can move either in Camelot England or in Broceliande
> Brittany. Lazare can resurrect. No real frame. This carries hope. La
> santa fe mueve las sierras. 

They have a frame and a real one it has just been obscured by time, just
like the origins of the Universe. Looking back on myth or the origin of
the universe, is it really different?

Now just a quick digression. Perhaps the reason why
> Baudrillard in theory, with his concept of "simulacra", and Bourdieu in
> the reality, with his
> books *, attack the radioTV medias, is that they roughly mix reality and
> legend. When the TV guy is standing near the shroud, or in front of
> the White House, the good catho MUST believe the shroud was that of
> Jesus
> 20 centuries ago. No comment about the White House.
> In the computer technique, there is the wysiwig**. The TV reality
> becomes immediately legend. The same for the police series. Happy
> birthday to you, Mr Derrick for the guinness record of 300 episodes
> unfortunately unknown in US and Can
> cause too "slow", and car is a diesel. The cult series are based on very
> bad reality, glauquitude (scuse the neologism), and become mythical.
> Near this, traditional myths are not heavy, even the little red riding
> hood.

What I get a kick out of is that everybody is focused on Baudrillard’s
use of Simulcra, but not on his use of the term “the Real.” This in my
view is the next step to understanding Baudrillard. If one reads it like
this, there is a reality to which we all are subject, in spite of the
simulations/simulcra that we mistake for it (Reality). This is where
things start to cross over with Baudrillard, Juenger, Heidegger, and
Co., In their way they all point to the things that have been taken away
from us, almost with out our knowing (Baudrillard’s use of Simulcra or
Juenger’s and Heidegger’s use of the disapearance of the gods). 

> Some news from the pm front.
> A new pm novelist, next justified price winner, Houellebecq with a title
> worthy of
> Friedrich Georg : The elementary particles. Ed Flammarion

What is the PM front? Just curious?

Best wishes with Greetings from the Goethe Stadt,

Abdalbarr