Re: [ejlist] EJ treading in very shady groves

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In einer eMail vom 22.09.99 11:10:40 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt 
Rebing@t-online.de:

> The idea of events foreseen having happened in the past of the visionary is 
a 
> 
>  corollary of the idea that there exists an individual consciousness after 
> death. 
>  The prophet or the man gifted with second sight looks back from a far-away 
>  future at a future which is closer, i.e. has already come true from that 
>  far-away point of view. This point of view can very well be beyond the 
death 
> of 
>  that particular individual. 

Don't you think that Juenger made a clear distinction in #41 between prophecy 
and what the prophet does being one thing, and the time-shifts people 
experience foreseeing detailed events like collapsed gates and soldiers 
riding by being another - only realizing the shift after the events actually 
happen as deja vu. He explains this as a special kind of remembrance, 
naturally a paradox somebody remembering things yet to pass. On the contrary 
the prophet looks into the future, with some unspecified means of 
futurovision, or receives images from the future. His report is not relieable 
in any literal way - and more important - he tells of a future that yet has 
to be created and extends beyond individual lifespan. But this future may 
never happen in the predicted way, because it can be altered.

The person with the second sight maybe has all kind of "sightings" and only 
some come true and of the others is never heard of. The person realizes the 
sighting as such only afterwards - but then because the present matches the 
"remembrance" exactly.

So my first thought to KERN COMMENT was, maybe the Revelation is a prophecy, 
outcome not guaranteed.
Besides, if all were over and end of time, we wouldn't be exchanging that 
many mails :-)


>  But beyond death there exists no time any more. So the dead will resurrect,
>  if they do, not in the presence of the living. Because the living still go 
under
>  the yoke of time. 
>  
>  All this will make sense to you if you share the foregone conclusion that 
>  there is a life after death. A life which is radically different from our 
reality: 
>  time does not exist and the Divine is revealed.

We live in a world of separation, antagony, individuation, unstirrable facts 
occurring in time -  and the beyond, the realm of death, is time-less, 
un-separated, un-discerned, "ungesondert". Time-less means everything is 
always, "ungesondert" means everything is everything - all is one. 

This is the big sea where life is only the tiny island, and, be sure, you'll 
know when you're there.

That is how I get the picture.


Greetings



Walter