Re: [ejlist] EJ treading in very shady groves

[Rebing@t-online.de (Rebing)]

Walter, 

you are definitely right, the prophet does not belong in this context. My 
mistake. 


I am still toiling on my notes on #41(while en route in the Black Forest heading 
south, but now equipped with Internet access via mobile phone). One of my 
problems is the role of the prophet in EJs thought. 


EJ believes that prophets have changed world history more than the greatest 
generals (SCHERE #35); this is even more emphatic than when he writes on 15 May 
1944 in STRAHLUNGEN, while reading the Revelation of St John, "the prophet 
stands above the kings and their deeds". He never elaborates or explains.


Can you or anyone on the List explain why one might ascribe such an eminent role 
to prophets? EJ seems to think not only of Jesaja and St John but also of 
Nietzsche and Spengler as major prophets. As far as I see he does not mention 
Mohammed who, for one,  evidently has changed world history. 




Wahe@aol.com schrieb:
> Don't you think that Juenger made a clear distinction in #41 between prophecy 
> and what the prophet does being one thing, and the time-shifts people 
> experience foreseeing detailed events like collapsed gates and soldiers 
> riding by being another - only realizing the shift after the events actually 
> happen as deja vu. He explains this as a special kind of remembrance, 
> naturally a paradox somebody remembering things yet to pass. On the contrary 
> the prophet looks into the future, with some unspecified means of 
> futurovision, or receives images from the future. His report is not relieable 
> in any literal way - and more important - he tells of a future that yet has 
> to be created and extends beyond individual lifespan. But this future may 
> never happen in the predicted way, because it can be altered.
>
> The person with the second sight maybe has all kind of "sightings" and only 
> some come true and of the others is never heard of. The person realizes the 
> sighting as such only afterwards - but then because the present matches the 
> "remembrance" exactly.
>
> So my first thought to KERN COMMENT was, maybe the Revelation is a prophecy, 
> outcome not guaranteed.
> Besides, if all were over and end of time, we wouldn't be exchanging that 
> many mails :-)
>
> We live in a world of separation, antagony, individuation, unstirrable facts 
> occurring in time -  and the beyond, the realm of death, is time-less, 
> un-separated, un-discerned, "ungesondert". Time-less means everything is 
> always, "ungesondert" means everything is everything - all is one. 
>
> This is the big sea where life is only the tiny island, and, be sure, you'll 
> know when you're there.
>
> That is how I get the picture.
>
>
> Greetings
>
>
>
> Walter
>
>
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